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i think it's likely that if the population of africa hadn't been dented by slave trade, more smart people and more leaders would have been available and they would have conquered the problems of the time and prevented africa from becoming a third world continent
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Quote: from Springs at 6:13 pm on Aug. 19, 2008
 Quote: from hithere at 4:05 pm on Aug. 19, 2008
i think it's likely that if the population of africa hadn't been dented by slave trade, more smart people and more leaders would have been available and they would have conquered the problems of the time and prevented africa from becoming a third world continent 
thats what i was thinking but obv this thread is a TRAAAAAAAAP
Obviously...  Anyway, I don't know that this argument is statistically sound. If the sampling of people taken was truly random as many truly exceptional people would have been taken as were left. Thus, only a few would have been taken at all, meaning the impact would be relatively minimal. Furthermore, since the sample wouldn't truly be random, but rather favoring the less intelligent stronger population, it would stand to reason that there was even a smaller impact. Anyway, all of this ignore the very politically incorrect fact that Africa has always been societally and technologically behind the West, Mid East, and Far East. It isn't a race thing. It's a geography thing, since much of the geography of Africa is ill-suited toward the centralization of culture into advanced civilization. It's why there were period of high civilization in all the other major regions of the world (the Chinese/Japanese, the Semitic and Akkadian peoples, the Indo-Europeans, and the Native Americans) early on except Africa. The Renaissance was almost two hundred years delayed in getting to the Northern most parts of Europe, but you don't here the modern Danish complaining and trying to rewrite history. What is it to you (the "you" being a hypothetical black man) if your ancestors didn't figure out two plus two as soon as mine (the "mine" being a hypothetical white, Asian, Arab, or Persian man).
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Quote: from Prince o palities at 12:00 pm on Aug. 19, 2008
Sensationalized title aside, African-Americans have a bit of a debt of gratitude to antebellum slave owners. Sure, they were grossly abusive, treated the slaves like animals, forced them into unreal amounts of labor, but they did that to them. Not to the modern black person. The modern black American, without the slave owner, would more than likely be living in a third world country. Outside the slave trade, there was not a significant amount of emigration out of Africa. Sure, your forefathers suffered, but lucky you they did. Because you like running water, Wal*mart, and everyone's inalienable right to childhood obesity.
Too bad the government doesn't subsidize one way tickets back to Africa for the whiners, amirite?
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Quote: from marshmellowman at 12:13 pm on Aug. 19, 2008
Quote: from Prince o palities at 8:06 pm on Aug. 19, 2008
Certainly. If we're opening up speculation, a lot of things could have happened. However, even with Western involvement, Africa is still woefully behind the world technologically and the emigration rates for the intervening two centuries would suggest that the ratio of blacks to whites in first world countries would still be much lower in the absence of the slave trade. The slave trade doesn't have to be a good thing to have had a positive impact.
Yeah, well if emigration hadn't started as a result of the slave trade there might be more community and governmental involvement in their own countries which would have helped enormously with the development of their living conditions as well as technology and the like. That's not to say that it could turn into somewhere as technologically evolved as the North, but still. Obviously the slave trade isn't the cause, but it certainly didn't help. No, certainly not, it can have an effect that's good whilst the idea being bad. I mean who knows. It's definitely a plus side that helped America become more culturally diverse.
Because the African tribes weren't slaughtering each other and speading disease before the white man showed up to start buying the slaves that the various groups had taken from the other groups? I guess it was the white man who is the one responsable for things like the Hutus and Tutsies slaughtering each other?
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